Hello and welcome to Adam Ruins Everything the Podcast. I am your host, Adam Conover.

You might also know me from the TV show of the very same name,

and you can find clips and full episodes of that very show

at true TV.com slash Adam Ruins Everything

and the Watch True TV app. On this

podcast I talk to researchers, academics, and experts people from around the world

of human knowledge about the work they do and why it is so important.

We get people who are thinking about things that you've never even thought of before.

They spend their whole lives thinking about them.

We bring them right here into your device, into your living room.

So you can listen to the incredible ideas that they got

bouncing around inside their big smart brains. Today's guest is Ellen Dunam

Jones. She appeared on our TV episode, Adam Ruins the Suburbs, where she

talked about how we can retrofit the suburbs to

solve all the awful problems the suburbs have and guys the suburbs have some

problems if you've seen that episode you know they're bad for the climate

they're bad for your health. They are incredibly segregated. Yeah, I said it. But look, instead of leaving

the suburbs, we can actually address these issues and improve them through redevelopment

and retrofitting the neighborhoods to make them greener, healthier, safer, and affordable.

And Ellen is here to tell us all about it.

She has spent her career studying how suburbs can adapt to these 21st century challenges

and is a leading authority on suburban redevelopment.

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