Okay, so we're talking about charity then, and the point that you made, it's a very, very interesting

point about charity and running, because the explosion in running has been partly assisted

by the fact that now you can, people have reason to do running, they can do it for charity.

And it's made it, the charities obviously, you know, something like the London Marathon, for most charities in the country, it's their payday. They, you know, they make, you know, millions out of, out of, you know, people doing an event like that for the first time, for the second time, and raising a huge amount amount of money and so running is such a massive cash cow for charities um but the upshot of that is that it's now more

and more difficult to actually get sponsorship i remember when it might you know from my person point of

of view when i ran my first lond marathon, I raised three and a half grand.

You know, at first, within a group of people, I was probably first person to run a marathon that

they knew, whereas now, everyone's running a marathon.

And I remember, like, the second year after that, I raised half, and then the year after

that, when I did the London Marathon again, it was really, really difficult. And so you have to even, even when I ran the Marathon de Saab, that was a struggle to raise money. Really? Well, the problem with the Marathon de Saab, it's called the Marathon de Saab. Oh, yeah. And even, you know, when I did it, what, five years ago, it still wasn't as well known as it is today.

It was, yeah. And even, you know, when I did it, what, five years ago, it still wasn't as well known as it is today. It was when I started raising money for it, James Cracknell hadn't done it. And really when James Cracknell did it, that's when it sort of started to get a bit more, a bit more sort of press and everything. And so if you tell someone you're running the London Marathon

and you're running for someone like Cancer Research,

it's really easy for them to know what you're doing,

the challenge on offer and what the charity is.

When you say you're doing the marathon to start,

but it's really difficult for someone to comprehend it.

And that's the thing.

Those challenges become become you know as

soon as you start doing something away from a marathon it's very difficult for people to

understand like the difficulty of that and so you know and you have to if you start having to

start explaining you know the you know the challenges involved it makes it much more difficult

to raise money for.

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