Hello my friends it's so good to be sitting here with you again after meeting in person last year how are you both?

We missed your face we get to hear all the time but this is different. We had to hear your voice all the time, but this is different.

We had such a good time in Georgia.

It was so good.

Oh my gosh, I want to do it again.

Okay, so this is going gonna be a big one.

This is gonna be heavy and lightning

at the same time, I feel like.

I wanna just get right into it.

We're talking about the abandonment wound.

So can you just first of all like super foundational can you

explain what that even is? Julie take this one. Well the abandonment wound usually begins in childhood pre-childhood,

literally womb for some of us because I'm adopted. So for me it began when I was in the womb. So some of the clients that I work with some of the things that you see where that you know some indicators that this is happening is they've been abandoned by a parent

whether that means they've been relinquished in adoption or let's just say a mom was like I don't want you go live with your grandparents like I've had clients

that have experienced things like that and what ends up happening is there's this

feeling of utter worthlessness, rejection, defectiveness that underlies everything that they do.

And so it has to do with early childhood experiences, but then what ends up happening is it's carried into relationship after that. I don't know if you want to add anything more Bex.

Yeah, the only thing I'll add is like the bystander trauma can inflict a abandonment wound too. I think of my mom. My mom

had a little brother who had special needs and was sent away to a home when he was a

baby and she was six and there was no warning there was no conversation about it and so she grew up with just fear of like when am I going to get sent away next?

A deep, deep, early seated fear of abandonment. So it can be something that

happened to you or just something you witnessed with someone close to you.

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