Hey, my name's Jack, host of the show.

Before making this podcast, my job was looking at my client's networks to try to find ways

to make them more secure.

In other words, I was on defense, locking things down, hardening systems, securing applications,

and trying to turn off everything that didn't need to be on.

And the defense team is sometimes known as the blue team.

I'm on the blue team.

But one day we paid an attacker to come into our office and see how well I did at securing

the network.

The blue team was a professional penetration tester.

And I made them sit right next to me.

Attackers like this are said to be on the red team.

And this whole red team blue team thing is just a term borrowed from the military where

they had drills with attackers and defenders.

So here I am, the blue team.

And there he was, and the desk right next to me, the red team, the adversary, the enemy,

a hacker.

What do I do?

Do I sabotage him so I can't do his job?

Do I block his IP from getting anywhere?

It wasn't that I didn't trust him because he came from a very trusted company.

But it was that I was extremely curious at how he works.

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