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Well, when putch crotch squared up with somebody, he would put a hurtin' on you. He would hit you

just whatever was available. He hit you with a bottle of chair, whatever, whatever.

He...

It depended on the degree of severity, you know. He was a stand-up guy.

He was not something to toy with, and he was very loyal. And you saw the loyalty that he

invoked from people, from different states, from different cities, different clubs. And

then, in turn, he would expect the same.

This is Matt Zanascar. Matt's he was a former president of the Cleveland Hells Angels, and

a 20-year member. He was retired from the club in 1991, but he's been in a few life

or deathfights alongside my father. And there are close friends in the 1970s.

He was a Louisiana country born from down south. I really don't know how he found his way

up to Cleveland. But the first time that I recall meeting him, which was a Ted's bar

up on Lakeshore Boulevard, right close to the border of Euclid and Cleveland. And I

walked in the bar with this other fella. And there's Crouch. He's in a argument with

this guy named Paul Horn. Paul Horn was a little bit of a tough guy in that particular

fiery side of Cleveland. Somewhat of a bully, you know, and anyway, they had to argue

and have a deadly cause right when I walk in, they're arguing, and then next thing you

know, they pulled guns on one another.

I'm Jackie Taylor, and this is Relative Unknown. My real name is Jackie Crouch. Jackie

Taylor is the name that was given to me by the US Marshalls when I was seven years old,

and put into the witness protection program. We were relocated, and any ties to the

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