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Jenny, you and I have, oh yeah, we've struggled, haven't we really, with anxiety and feeling

low, we have, we just struggle.

I don't mind saying, of course I don't mind saying that, yeah, I have.

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to stand up and say I am struggling either with anxiety.

For me, a lot of my mental health problems have stemmed from anger actually, which is something

that I've come to a conclusion about quite late in life is that a lot of my problems have been

via anger and jealousy.

That's interesting.

Yeah.

No, but that's an interesting recognition.

And I do think that knowledge about how those things came about, it does help.

But nobody wants to be on a couch for, you know, for months on end talking about what happened

in your childhood.

But I do think that therapy can unlock patterns and can unlock you know sort of renew your patterns kind of maybe

rewire you a bit I do think that can happen and I also think that it is much easier

these days to put your hand up and say I. Yep. I'm having a tough time here.

But I think when you get help from people who know what they're talking about,

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