Welcome to the Vorotex Nation podcast brought to you by lovers of hunting, shooting, public

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All right, what is up everybody? Mark on the mic. You're joined by my good friend, Mr.

Ryan Muckenhurne. Now, Ryan, we do a lot of cartridge talks here, a lot of cartridge-related

stuff we talk about. I guess, you know, individually, oftentimes comparing them, right? I guess

it's like that's kind of like a natural benchmarking, benchmarking, yeah. But we never really

hit them against one another necessarily, and that's what we're doing today. So we've

got two, in my opinion, very popular, very capable cartridges. Right here, you could

say you've, you got the old bull over here, you got the young calf, and we're talking

about the 308 and the 65 creed. Oh gosh, you know, popular, yes, polarized, definitely.

Yes, it seems like you have people in both camps. Yep. You have, I would say, okay, correct

me if I'm wrong, but I'd say buy in large, people who are, you know, maybe they're like,

I'm going to give a new rifle. Maybe they're a new hunter, new shooter. There's been

a trend towards the 65 creed more. Very popular. Warranted, maybe? Subjectively. Subjectively.

Yes. I own a couple of 65 creeds. My lord, Ryan, I actually have three. That's a good

number. How'd that happen? You have, how many? I think the handful. You also have at

least I know one 308 because I've used it. Handful. Handful. Okay. They're both really

good. They are. So what's the big whoop? What's the big diff? Is one better than the other?

Are they better and different scenarios? I guess we'll say. We, I get asked a question

a lot from colleagues and listeners and customers. We talk about a lot of things with our

customers too, especially, you know, we start talking about rifle scopes. We start talking

about rifles and then one thing leads to another and we're talking about the merits

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