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Welcome, everybody.

It's Friday, October 10th, 2014. And we're talking secession today. We're talking about secession with Kirkpatrick Sale, who's an extremely interesting person for so many reasons. He's a very prolific author. He wrote a book all the way back in 1980 called Human Scale, which of course is relevant to our discussion today.

But he's been writing and he's been an activist since the 1960s, and today he's the director of the Middlebury Institute,

which supports the idea of secession. He's been associated with progressivism all this time,

and he says he hasn't changed a bit. He's been a contributing editor of The Nation magazine.

He's been a contributor to progressive publications like Mother Jones, the Utney Reader, and

Counterpunch, as well as the American Conservative,

the New York Review of Books, and many other outlets.

Kirk, welcome to the show.

Thank you, Tom.

You are like my friend Bill Kaufman.

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