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Hi everybody, Tom Woods here. It is episode 26007 of the Tom Wood Show, and I've got with me today, Ernst Roots, who is an author and documentary filmmaker making his second appearance on the Tom Wood Show, to talk about South Africa. And the reason I wanted to have him back was that South Africa in the United States is back in the news again because of Donald Trump complaining about what's going on over there, although he's also complaining about the South African government's foreign policy with regard to Israel. So I realize that that is a factor. But what I'm interested in

particularly is what is life like in South Africa these days? And, you know, if Trump is being

sincere, does he have genuine grounds for complaint? So I thought I would bring Ernst back on.

So welcome back. Thank you very much. It's a pleasure and a privilege to be back on the show, and I'm happy to speak with you.

Well, thank you. I think of you as my guy over there that I can turn to in these situations.

I think that as a compliment.

Now, we read in the New York Times, I guess maybe a week or two ago, that Trump is claiming, and this is their favorite phrase, without evidence

that there are issues facing white farmers in South Africa. And then, so you read the article,

you read, you read, then about two-thirds the way down, they say, well, you know, there is this

bill that the president of South Africa recently approved.

And yeah, it is called the expropriation bill.

And yes, it does say that in certain circumstances, private property can be seized without compensation when it would benefit the general welfare.

And, you know, whites have more land than blacks, so, you know,

you put two and two together. So by the end of the article, you think, well, hold on, I'm at it here. Wait just a minute. Maybe Trump is on to something. So what can you tell us about that?

So perhaps it's good to start with this bill you mentioned and this whole thing of expropriation without compensation or you might just as well call it confiscation of property in South Africa.

This is something that the ruling party and some of the other leftist parties in South Africa have been pushing for some time now, but especially since 2018, when they were able to adopt a

motion in Parliament that the Constitution has to be changed. In other words, the private property

rights clause has to be eroded. They carefully said that they don't want to scrap the right

to own private property, but they do want to make sure that the government has the

capacity, the government is empowered to confiscate your property without compensation if it thinks

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