This is Trend Following Radio, where great thinking comes alive.

Nobel Prize winners, legendary traders, bestselling authors, and the pros that know what drive us irrational human beings.

I am your host, Michael Covel.

Not filtered, raw, honest.

That's my passion.

Today in the show, I have Bucky Isaacson.

He is one of the early pioneers of managed futures.

In fact, in 1969, he helped He is one of the early pioneers of managed futures. In fact,

in 1969, he helped to develop one of the first computerized trading systems. He's been involved in the managed futures business ever since, particularly in Asia, and is a prominent

leader in the U.S. futures industry. Bucky brings wisdom. Our conversation today, however, is most likely going to benefit

fund managers, whether new or established. Bucky brings great, great insights if you want to manage

money for other clients. And a caveat, if you listen to our conversation and you have no interest in managing money for other clients,

the way Bucky thinks about marketing and reaching people will help you no matter what,

no matter what your interest is in.

I hope you enjoy this conversation.

You know, it's my perspective. I did. I think I told you we talked a couple weeks ago.

I gave about 40 plus presentations to mutual funds, hedge funds, sovereign wealth funds in Asia last year. And several events, big events, too, but my feeling on all

these events around the word, they're so fractured. You know, it used to be back in the day that

if you went to the Futures Industry Association conference, you would see really quality speakers

giving good info. Now, you're, it's such, you just don't know where to turn. You know,

if somebody isn't getting on a plane, it goes somewhere. It's so splintered to me, it seems like,

except back in the day, in the MFA and the FIA, you really kind of, you knew there was

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