If you're listening to the partially examined life episode 250, part 3, still on the Simone

Bay.

We have been working our way through the needs of the soul.

From 1943, we'd finished honor, I think the next is punishment, which I believe somebody

had read the end of the previous section, crime alone, should place the individual who

has committed it outside the social pale.

Punishment should bring him back again inside it.

Punishment's associated with honor and punishment is a part of atoning for your crime.

So you have to have the crime be right and you have to have a process for bringing somebody

back into society.

In fact, crime is fundamentally activity that the individual does, which breaks their bond

with society.

Yeah, so specifically with this realm of obligation, with which this whole piece starts.

So it actually puts us outside of that relation and punishment is the only way, according

to her, that we can be brought back into a system or chain of obligations.

I mean, it says outside the social pale, outside society, like you just said, Dylan,

but I thought her view of crime was that it was more metaphysically fundamental that there

are these obligations that we have.

Whether anybody acknowledges it or not, whether there's any society or not.

She calls them eternal.

Yes, that are eternal.

And so it seems like even though this has been reflected in a social practice fundamentally,

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