Everyone at Swiss, I just wanted to give you a heads up about my new spin-off podcast

Subtext, which will be launching in mid-August. In it, Poet Aaron Alonig and I explored the

human condition by conducting a close reading of a text or film and co-writing an audio essay

about it in real time. For a while, new episodes will appear in the P.E.L. feed,

but if you like it, you should subscribe to us directly by searching for us on the podcast

app of your choice. You'll also find us at subtextpodcast.com.

You're listening to the partially examined life, a podcast by some guys who at one point

said I'm doing philosophy for a living but then thought better of it. Our question for episode

249 is what model of human nature should serve as the basis for education policy? Our texts for

today are by John Dewey, Democracy and Education from 1916, chapters 1, 2, 4 and 24,

and how we think from 1910 to 1. For more information and links to these texts,

please visit partiallyexaminelife.com. This is Mark Linton-Mire,

turning the forces buffeting me into delicious vegetarian chili in Madison, Wisconsin.

This is Seth Pascon, transmitting but not indoctrinating culture from Austin, Texas.

This is Wes Allen, respecting my inner child in Cambridge, Massachusetts.

This is Dylan Casey extending the memory of the word problem to anything that

proplexes and challenges my mind in Madison, Wisconsin. And this is Jonathan Haber trying to

not think unproductively from Lexington, Massachusetts. Welcome Jonathan.

Hi, Jonathan. Thanks. It's a pleasure and honor to be here. Tell us how you got on the show.

Well, I actually reached out to you guys a few years ago. I was doing a public educational

research project on massive open online courses and took 32 free courses in 12 months. So it's

called a degree of freedom project. And that was designed to see if these free massive courses

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