Ep. 239 The Purpose of a System Is What It Does with Mariame Kaba
The Stacks
Traci Thomas
4.8 • 1.8K Ratings
🗓️ 2 November 2022
⏱️ 69 minutes
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Summary
Today we welcome Mariame Kaba - activist and author of the book We Do This 'Til We Free Us: Abolitionist Organizing and Transforming Justice, and her latest, No More Police: A Case for Abolition, which she cowrote with Andrea J. Ritchie. In discussing her lifelong devotion to anti-violence, we learn why Mariame doesn't center herself in the work toward abolition, and why she does not consider herself a writer. She also explains the difference between punishment and consequences and shares some incredible book recommendations.
The Stacks Book Club selection for November is Prison By Any Other Name by Maya Schenwar and Victoria Law. We will discuss the book on November 30th with Mariame Kaba.
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| 0:00.0 | Do you know what sucks really bad? |
| 0:02.3 | Missing out on tickets to the biggest tour of the year. |
| 0:06.8 | Not Taylor Swift, not Beyonce, but the live in the stacks tour. |
| 0:13.3 | We have only three stops left, so you need to grab your tickets now before you have |
| 0:19.6 | major FOMO for the rest of your life. |
| 0:22.7 | I will be in Washington, D.C. with Jason Reynolds on Sunday, September 24th. |
| 0:28.0 | I will be in New York City with KSA layman on Monday, September 25th, and you can find |
| 0:32.9 | me for the last stop of the tour on Wednesday, October 18th, with a few special guests which |
| 0:39.3 | we will announce real, real soon. |
| 0:42.2 | I promise you a night of big laps, hot takes, and more bookish conversation than you could |
| 0:47.6 | possibly imagine. |
| 0:49.8 | Tickets are selling fast, so head to the stackspodcast.com slash tour and get them before they're gone. |
| 0:57.5 | And I can't wait to see you live in the stacks. |
| 1:10.0 | Welcome to the stacks, a podcast about books and the people who read them. |
| 1:13.0 | I'm your host, Tracy Thomas, and I am beyond honored today to be speaking with Mariam |
| 1:17.7 | Kaba, a New York-born activist, grassroots organizer, and educator who focuses on the |
| 1:22.9 | dismantling of the prison industrial complex. |
| 1:25.4 | She's the author of many books, including We Do This To We Free Us, and her latest No |
| 1:30.2 | More Police, which she co-wrote with Andrea J. Richie. |
| 1:34.1 | Kaba argues for the total abolishment of all prison and policing, and her work has provided |
| 1:38.4 | tools and blueprints for many social justice organizations over the years. |
| 1:42.9 | Kaba is the founder of Project Mia, which provides young people affected with violence, with |
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