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You're listening to Partially Examined Life episode 232 Part 2.

We're talking about Simone de Beauvoir's, The Second Sex.

We were just getting a little more into the Hageleon parts of this.

I wanted to touch a little on when she's giving this extensive analysis of the situation of woman in woman situation and character.

That a lot of it we've characterized, you know, she's treated as an object.

She doesn't get the chance to have projects that are independent of those that society assigns to her.

She's always pushing up against concrete resistance from male figures from society as opposed to the sort of open-ended skies,

the limit thing that men supposedly are dealing with.

She does, I think, you know, if you follow this Hageleon picture of Lordship and Bondage though,

there actually is an upside to her situation.

Some of the characteristics that we would attribute to women or that are thought to embody the feminine essence or something,

a lot of these are sort of a reactions to a bad situation, but some of them are like, for instance,

when we had read about the slave situation in the Lordship and Bondage for Hagle,

the slave actually gets a deal with concrete things, gets to have dirt on his hands, or in this case,

the woman, you know, she's not making plans for the improvement of the state,

but she has like concrete responsibility over an infant and that in itself, you know, gives her a groundedness

that men who don't have to do that kind of work don't have.

So let's talk about the opportunities that women have for objectification,

for the purposes of developing subjectivity, because I think that's part of what this is about.

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