Leonard Carter, if you live in New York, you might have heard his name.

And he would be alive right now.

If New York's governor Andrew Cuomo had listened to the thousands of experts and justice

advocates who've been begging him to show even a hint of regard for

incarcerated people. Now I know during this pandemic that it's

damn near a sin to offer even a mild critique of Andrew Cuomo, But my calling on this planet and the entire reason we

built the North Star, the entire reason we built this podcast was to speak truth to power and Cuomo is the power. Let me

unpack and explain it. This is Sean King. You were listening to

The Breakdown.

The Breakdown.

The Breakdown. The Breakdown. The Breakdown. For most of his time as governor, I mean long before this pandemic.

New York governor, Andrew Cuomo, has had a callous indifference to incarcerated people.

And his blatant refusal to use his clemency powers now and throughout all of his terms

is but one small bit of proof of this.

Now I dedicate and my book was actually supposed to come out yesterday. of this pandemic, it's now coming out in August, but I dedicate nearly an entire chapter in my new book

to showing how impossibly difficult it's been across the years to try to get Andrew Cuomo to even pass tiny measures for justice reform.

He hates them.

He's an old school, tough on crime, war on drugs, war on the hood type of Democrat.

His father, who was governor before him, was the same way too.

And for years, we all knew, New Yorkers all knew that Cuomo was

going to run for president in this current election cycle. He telegraphed it for all New Yorkers and everybody following politics

to see. It was obvious. But here in New York, his approval rating and popularity was so low that he regularly polled worse

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