And now, from the University of Chicago Institute of Politics and CNN, the Axviles, with your

host, David Axelrod.

Early in Barack Obama's campaign for President, a French journalist showed up on the scene

to cover the campaign and became a real presence on the campaign trail.

And I learned that Laura Haim was one of France's great broadcast journalists having covered

everything from war to American political campaigns.

Most recently, she served as communications director for Emmanuel Macron in his extraordinary

campaign for the presidency of France.

And she spent the fall quarter at the Institute of Politics at the University of Chicago, sharing

her observations about that election, the state of democracy in France and the United

States.

Laura Haim, so glad to have you here, both on this podcast and at the Institute of Politics,

where you've been a fellow all spring.

You're a…

That's a fantastic experience.

I can tell you that I did not know at all the University world.

I did not know at all this special bubble in the American society.

And it gave me hope because there's a new generation here, which is ready to do things.

And in my opinion, which is really interested by your phone topics.

Yeah.

No, this is why we do the work.

And it is, you know, every time you get despairing about the world you come here and you

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