Oh, church, when did we lose our way?

Welcome to the Deconstructionist podcast.

I'm your host John Williamson, and we're back with part two of my interview with Dr. Thomas Kaysen.

Thomas is a professor and chair of biblical studies at Stockholm School of Theology,

University College, Stockholm.

He has authored numerous books and articles in English and Swedish,

including moral infringement and repair in antiquity and impurity and purification

in early Judaism and the Jesus tradition.

Today we bring him back for part two of our talk on his new book,

Dirt, Shame, Status, Perspectives on Same-Sexuality in the Bible in the ancient world.

And again, we go deep into the handful of references in the Bible

to try to understand what it would have meant to the people who would have heard it in ancient times. And again, just a warning. We definitely cover some topics and some

references to what would be absolutely considered sexual assault in modern day times. And there

is some language that may be offensive to some. But again, very important topic to cover, and hopefully

this is beneficial to those of you listening. So without further ado, here's part two with

Thomas Freakin Kaysen.

Yeah, that brings to mind the ancient practice also of, you know,

and we've talked about this in the podcast before, invading armies,

you know, the victorious army using sex as almost weaponized against the defeated army and quite frankly, you know, rape.

You know, they would rape their, yeah, talk about that a little bit.

Well, well, that, to degrade someone, to shame someone by penetrating them, whether a male or a female has been something that human beings have engaged in for thousands of years, I think.

And it all builds... for thousands of years, I think.

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