And now, from the University of Chicago Institute of Politics and CNN, the Axviles, with your

host, David Axelrod.

I would be hard put to think of a journalist in this country who has broken more big stories

about national security over the last three decades than David Sanger, the New York Times.

His breakthrough stories on the North Korean nuclear program on Iran, on cyber security

have earned him numerous awards, but more importantly, shown a bright light in dark corners

of our national security structure.

He came by the Institute of Politics the other day to talk about the struggle with North

Korea over their nuclear arsenal.

And I sat down to talk to him about the many stories that he's written and his career

in journalism.

David Sanger, it's always good to see you.

Great to be back here with you, David.

I have to, and thanks for coming to the Institute of Politics here to talk about North Korea

and we're going to get to that.

But I have to ask you about you.

One thing that comes up as one reads about you is that everybody seemed to know that you

were going to be a newspaper man.

That was, you were headed in that direction.

And yet I look in your, background your folks weren't journalists.

Tell me, when did this inspiration come to you and why?

Well, everybody knew except me, of course, right?

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