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we welcome back a friend of the podcast paul magee, who is a, I don't know, I'd describe him as a self-help guru, motivational speaker. He's written a load of books on how to deal with life. The most famous being Sumo, shut up, move on, sumo, which was a fantastic book. Put him on the map and he sold loads and it's still a great book.

He's the master of simplification and making his books easy to read.

It's so easy to understand all his principles.

He's recently released a book for teenagers teaching them how to cope with life.

It's called, yes, the sumo secrets of being a positive, confident teenager.

And I seriously recommend this book for young people.

I recommend Sumo for older people.

Simple coping mechanisms for life.

If you want to know the sort of stuff that he talks about,

you can listen to the first podcast we did together,

which was episode number 64.

Well worth to listen to that.

Anyway, today's podcast question is,

what are some coping methods for mentally dealing with this pandemic?

I think we all need some of those.

Let's have a chat.

Here's Paul McGee.

Paul, welcome to the podcast. Lovely to have you back on. How are you? You had COVID.

I did indeed, Tim. It's good to be back. I had COVID actually in the early days, if you want to call it the early days, back in the middle of March. So one of the first people,

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