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Everyday Wellness: Midlife Hormones, Health, and Science for Women 35+

Ep. 180 Fascinating Link Between Nutrition, Metabolism & Cancer with Sam Apple

Everyday Wellness: Midlife Hormones, Health, and Science for Women 35+

Cynthia Thurlow

Alternative Health, Nutrition, Science, Life Sciences, Health & Fitness

4.81K Ratings

🗓️ 24 November 2021

⏱️ 49 minutes

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Summary

I am delighted to have Sam Apple joining me today! Sam is on the faculty at Johns Hopkins. Before he arrived at Johns Hopkins, he taught creative writing and journalism at the University of Pennsylvania. He holds a BA in English and Creative Writing from the University of Michigan and an MFA in Creative Non-fiction from Columbia University. Sam has written many books. His most recent is called Ravenous: Otto Warburg, the Nazis, and the Search for the Cancer-Diet Connection. It is about the German biochemist Otto Warburg and his new developments in cancer science. Warburg was a unique individual. He was a Jewish man who managed to keep doing his biochemical research despite living in the extremely challenging time of Nazi Germany. In this episode, Sam talks about Otto Warburg’s incredible discovery regarding cancer cells and the research done by Nazi scientists. He also discusses the shift in the focus on cancer research in the post-war period, how insulin drives cancer and metabolic diseases, and how to make better dietary choices. Stay tuned to hear what Sam has to share about his book, Ravenous, and the connections between diet and cancer. IN THIS EPISODE YOU WILL LEARN: What motivated Sam to write about Otto Warburg? Otto Warburg’s fascinating discovery about what makes cancer cells unique. Nazi researchers were way ahead of their time in discovering the link between environmental toxins and people developing metabolic diseases and cancer. What happened to much of the advanced research done by German scientists during the war years? What happened in the 1950s that entirely changed the direction of medical research on cancer? The accidental and surprising discovery that was made about the benefits of mustard gas. Insulin drives metabolic disease and causes cancer cells to grow. Why most Americans could develop cancer. Why do you need to get your fasting insulin checked? What does fructose do in the body that differs from what is done by other sugars? Some of the changes that Sam made in his life after researching his book, Ravenous. The cancers that you will be more likely to develop if you eat too often. Bio: Sam Apple is on the faculty of the MA in Science Writing and MA in Writing programs at Johns Hopkins. Before he arrived at Johns Hopkins, Apple taught creative writing and journalism at the University of Pennsylvania for ten years. He holds a BA in English and Creative Writing from the University of Michigan. Apple is the author of Schlepping Through the Alps and American Parent. His most recent book, Ravenous (Norton/Liveright, 2021), is about the German biochemist Otto Warburg and new developments in cancer science. Apple has published short stories, personal essays, satires, and journalistic features on a wide range of topics. In recent years, he has primarily written about science and health. His work has appeared in The New York Times Magazine, The New Yorker, The Atlantic, Wired, The Los Angeles Times, The Financial Times Magazine, ESPN The Magazine, The MIT Technology Review, and McSweeney’s, among many other publications. Schlepping Through the Alps was a finalist for the PEN America Award for a first work of non-fiction. Connect with Cynthia Thurlow Follow on Twitter, Instagram & LinkedIn Check out Cynthia’s website Connect with Sam Apple On his website Follow on Twitter and Instagram Books mentioned: The Nazi War on Cancer by Robert Proctor

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0:00.0

This is everyday wellness, a podcast dedicated to helping you achieve your health and wellness goals and provide practical strategies that you can use in your real life.

0:11.0

And now, here is your host, Nurse Practition practitioner Cynthia Thurlow.

0:18.2

Today I'm delighted to have Sam Apple.

0:20.7

He's on the faculty at Johns Hopkins and prior to his arrival at Hopkins he taught creative writing and journalism at the University of Pennsylvania.

0:28.0

He holds a BA in English and creative writing from the University of Michigan and a master's and

0:33.6

fine arts and creative non-fiction from Columbia. He is the author of many books but

0:38.1

most recently, Ravenous, which is about the German biochemist Otto Warburg and new developments in cancer science.

0:44.9

Welcome, Sam.

0:47.0

Thanks. Happy to be here.

0:48.6

Yeah, so, you know, it was really interesting to read this book for multiple reasons, largely because so much of Otto Warburg's research was largely not really discussed over, last like 30 plus years until this concept of cancer metabolism and looking at the contributions that he made to science, you know, I was telling my husband as I was reading your book that I had no idea that he even existed before I read your book and yet he had so much to contribute to the field of, you know, chemistry and cancer science and metabolism science, which nowadays has become, you know, has become much more popular with people like Jason Fung and Ben Bickman that are you know providing

1:35.0

context about the changes that go on with cancer cells. So what got you interested in writing about Otto?

1:43.6

He's quite a character, and I'm sure, you know,

1:45.7

listeners will want to learn more about him,

1:48.3

but really, you know, given the fact that he was Jewish

1:52.2

in, you know, the time of Nazi Germany and was able to kind of mitigate and

1:56.3

navigate continuing his research despite living in a pretty profoundly challenging time in Germany.

2:04.0

Yeah, you know, I really came to Wuerburg

2:06.2

through my interest in metabolism and nutrition

2:10.1

and you know, reading the works of a lot of you know popular writers in that area

2:16.0

Gary Taub's in particular is a big influence so you know what really stood out to me as I was

2:22.1

reading about these topics was that, you know, I came across and mentioned cancer being linked to obesity and diabetes and that really caused me to pause because, you know, I hadn't heard that before I always thought cancer you know you have

2:35.2

unlucky mutations and these onco genes or maybe it's caused by radiation sun exposure smoking but I didn't think about it as being a metabolic disease in any

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