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Hi friends and welcome to the papaya podcast. I'm your hostess,

Trine Hermosta, Sarah Nicole, and each week I'm going to be dishing out some sweetness mixed

in with some seeds of wisdom or something like that. So get ready to get inspired, get

candid, get real because we are all in this digital space together.

Alrighty, everyone. I am here with my first male guest. I'm so honored. You should be.

I am. This is definitely first for us. I'm so excited that you're here. Everyone,

this is Paul Fishman. I just called him fishermen. So so rude. Yeah, he had to correct me a little bit.

I hate fishing. Do you actually? Yeah. I mean, it's just like as a boy, like, you know,

you have to go fishing. I don't know. It's just like a thing that I had to do and I just wasn't

good at it. And like nature and, you know, it was rough for me as a child.

Can I be honest? Like, I'm one of those people that I'm so inspired by people who like go hiking

and get muddy and do all these things. And I'm like, I hate dirt on me. Like, I'm not like a,

like, I love nature. But like, I don't like the second that I'm like, I get like uncomfortable

when I get like dirty or feel like gritty or gross. Like, when I was a kid, I wouldn't even like use

an outhouse. My parents were like, we would have to like drive you into town to like go to the bathroom

because you wouldn't use like an outhouse. And then as a kid in public school, I wouldn't like use

the public washrooms. Like, I was so weird about things. But I'm not even a germa fault. Like,

not even a little. I just love that your parents would do that for you. Like, my dad would be like,

so we're going on the side of the road. Yeah. Um, to be honest, apparently, I made a bit of a

issue out of it. And I think that I said to my mom, I'm not going in that cow stink. And it was

three day, or close, I don't know how long it was, but I was, I was a toddler and I was like

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