The The Welcome back to the UFO Rabbit Hole Podcast. I'm your host Kelly Chase. In this

episode I'm bringing you something a little different. An interview. I've recently

taken the plunge to making this my full-time gig, which means that I have more time to invest in getting more content to you all more quickly.

So going forward, interspersed between the regular scripted episodes will be interviews with experts

whose work is referenced in the most recent episode so that we can dive deeper into their work and

the themes we've explored there.

And I'm thrilled to share that the very first of these interviews will be with one of my personal heroes, Dr. Diana Walsh-Pisulka.

If you're a regular listener of the podcast, you are already familiar with Dr. Pisulka's work,

which we discussed in both episodes 11 on the emergence of UFO lore and in the most recent episode,

episode 16, on the occult origins of the space program.

And for this interview, you'll at least want to have listened to episode 16 to get the full context

of our conversation.

But episode 11 would also be helpful. If you haven't listened to those,

I highly recommend that you go back and do so before continuing on.

Dr. Diana Walsh-Pisulka is a professor of religious studies and chair of the Department of Philosophy and

Religion at the University of North Carolina Wilmington. She holds a bachelor's degree from

UC Davis, a master's from Berkeley, and a PhD from Syracuse University.

She is the author of Heaven Can Wait, Purgatory, and Catholic Devotional and Popular Culture, and American Cosmic,

UFO's Religion Technology,

which we'll be discussing in this interview.

For me, American Cosmic is one of those rare books that changes everything about how you see the world.

And that process has been ongoing. I've gone back to it a few times over the last year

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