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Hello, friends. Welcome to episode 164 of the Latter Day Lives podcast. I'm your host, Sean Rope here.

Thank you so much for checking in with us again this week. Before we get into the conversation,

a couple of quick items of housekeeping. First of all, we want to thank a new five-star reviewer

on Apple Podcasts. The listener name is Melissa at Life Tumbled. Thank you so much for your

kind words and your five-star review. All of these reviews really

help us to be found when people are searching for good content. And speaking of good content,

need to tell you about a podcast from a former guest. We had Ken Williams on. It's actually

been, gosh, I think a couple of years now, but you may remember Ken

from his chocolate cake ministering. It's called the chocolate cake phenomenon. He wrote a whole

book about it. Basically, Ken makes the best chocolate cakes, and he'll bake a cake and then

kind of think about and pray about who might need

some cake. And he ministers that way. He has turned into a podcast. And while Ken lives way on the

other side of the country from me, the other night he stopped by out of the blue, was in town,

dropped by with his daughter. He had made a shirt for me that was so cool

and dropped off some chocolate cake. But he told me about his podcast. I absolutely love it.

The podcast is called Chocolate Cake Bites. That's B-Y-T-E-S. Chocolate Cake Bites, a different way of ministering.

And he's got a few episodes on there.

They're really inspiring. They talk about the importance of ministering. And Ken is just fun and engaging. Go check out his new podcast. All right, this week in the conversation,

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