And now, from the University of Chicago Institute of Politics and CNN, the Axviles, with your

host, David Axelrod.

There are a few figures in American politics who have been more influential.

In the evolution of our current debate than Grover Norquist, the founder of Americans

for Tax Reform, his no-tax pledges become a mantra for Republican candidates across

the country and have created the context of the debates we see year in and year out in

Congress and state legislatures.

And I sat down with him to talk about taxes and the proper role of government.

Grover Norquist, great to see you.

Thank you.

I know this evening, the evening we're taping this you and our old buddy Austin Goulesbeer

going to have a discussion about the Trump Tax Plan and fiscal policy at the University

of Chicago, which should be fun.

The two guys who competed for the title of the funniest celebrity in Washington.

Absolutely.

Great fun.

Yeah.

So, but it's good to have you here.

I'm interested.

We're about the same age.

But came from some different backgrounds.

Tell me about your growing up in Western Massachusetts.

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