Hello and welcome to Van the Neas Song and podcast. I am Sir Matt The Bud Knight.

And I am Sir Ezra the Watchful.

Friends, welcome back to our Ice and Fire Book Club. Today we're into Catlin, one of a Storm of Swords.

Yes, as this is a you know a theory actually well there will be some

theories discussed today about this the Tansy theory right which is a pretty

common one I mean it's definitely one that's been discussed quite a bit on

Reddit and the Song of Ice and Fire forums. You know what is Hostertulli saying here and has has he sort of slipping away about Tansy and you know Liza,

Catlin, Littlefinger, there's definitely something going on here and this is where it all sort of really starts. I mean I'll say this I think there was a

girl named Kansi that's what they say all right it's what it's what's mentioned in the

chapter maybe he was seeing somebody named Tansi back in the day.

All right, there's that.

There's, you know, some people think perhaps

Tansi refers to some sort of drug, right Liza could have had to have taken and then did

Littlefinger sleep with Liza did he sleep with Catlin he thinks he did he know

about it says no he know about it?

He says no.

Yeah, what was going on?

It's like, Gras, I love that I love to pull out the one, like the thought where it's like,

you know, the more complex, the more out of't want you to do more work for you know the drug the tansy connection and I like to sometimes just as a joke

look at the more obvious one right and it's just like was there actually

someone named Tansy you know it's right he's got just for fun because people are

it's too simple it's whatever yeah it is I agree with. I don't think that is the case, but it's also just fun to think about, you know,

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