You think that love is about just pouring because that's what we're taught to do as men. You have to be a protector. You have to be a provider. You have to give, give, give. And we're not taught to receive. We're not afraid of expressing our emotions. What we're afraid of is the potential isolation that comes when we do express that. We're just afraid of the vulnerability that it takes to change in a culture that condemns it and punishes it. All right, y'all. We're back with another episode. We're here with Jason Rosario. Jason, how are you, bro? I'm good, brother. Thanks for having me. It's a pleasure to meet you. Of course, of course. I think one of the reasons why I wanted to have you on the platform is because you do a lot of good work, right? So can you talk about the work that you do? First of all, talk about who you are. So people know who you are and then talk about the work that you're doing the platform that you've created for men. Amazing. So my name is Jason Rosario. Born and raised, New Yorker, uptown, Bronx. And so I like to joke that I'm Batman by day, Bruce Wayne by day, Batman by

I like that.

I like that.

Because by day I lead inclusion and diversity at an advertising company.

Okay.

But my passion work is men's work, right?

Helping men sort of embark on the journey to transformation, to becoming the best version of themselves, a fully

embodied version of themselves.

And so I launched back in 2017 a brand of platform called The Lives of Men that's dedicated

to that, right?

So one of our taglines is that we want to help, we want to be the compass that helps men

navigate their life's journey across every aspect of their lives, right? So when we think about who we're going to be able to we want to be the compass that helps men navigate their life's journey across

every aspect of their lives, right?

So when we think about who we want to be and how we want to embody that vision of that man,

that masculinity, what does that look like in both our personal and professional lives?

And so that's the work that I'm dedicated to do.

Why you started that, like, what made you say, like, all right, this is something I want to do? Any so that's the work that I'm dedicated to do. Why you started that? Like, what made you, what made you say like, all right, this is something I don't want to do?

Any work that's transformational like this is usually born out of some trauma. Right. And so I'm sure

you can probably relate to it. So, uh, I was experiencing some, some, um, real heartbreak and

challenges in my life back in 2017 and um you know i decided in that

moment to do something different right and it was specifically it was a breakup um and so you know

what we're taught to do is men it's just like oh you're going through a breakup just go out there and

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