I am unashamed. What about you?

I mean, as a kid, we had, I, I know, I know what sibling rivalry is. Did you guys have that with your siblings? I know you did, because I've watched y'all fight like cats and dogs.

Did you guys have, like, fights with your siblings? Or are we all pretty?

Yeah, all the time.

None like, I think, what y'all had the more you know violent fist fights but we we definitely went out it it was like you

was like us without all the violence and the wrestlers we were we were ever like you know was it was

it you that willie shoved rocks in your mouth or was that gimb that? That was Gimber. But I experienced his abuse. Yeah, we just talked to his brother into eating a plug of tobacco by telling him it was a brownie. Yeah. So we were more, you know, like we would wrestle and. It was more civilized. More civilized wrestling. It was not likeized it was or ever blows yeah no no no no no

you all both are big boys that kind of got dangerous who who you know like jays through a um i can't

remember what jays through a uh something i i cannot remember what that story was but uh yeah it was

a bunch of physical stuff but never like any any, like, violent, you know.

One time I took a, we were in the living room and I had a shotgun shell. That's what it was, it's the shotgun shell. I did it, two Js. And so it's a full shotgun shell. They're heavy. You know, brass on one end. Oh, yeah. Full of lead. Yeah. And I just lobbed it across the room.

Now, I wasn't necessarily going for a headshot. I was just going for a body blow, but Jay's moved at just the right time. And it just hit him square in the top of the head. It busted his head up. Oh, yeah. It was a, it was a bloody mess. Yeah. And I mean, I realized in the moment, I shouldn't have done, that was, that was probably a bit harsh. So, dad, you know, he's thumping me or give me a head swat or whatever. And I just thought that really describes our childhood. I mean, Jay's just sit there. But y'all had some knock down dragouts, too, right? There was a lot of broken bones. I remember like, I kind of remember Willie and Jay's getting in a bunch of fights and they fought the most.

And Willie, dragouts too, right? There was a lot of broken bones. I remember like, I kind of remember

Willie and Jace getting in a bunch of fights and they fought the most. And Willie always

losing the fight. I was sort of the Macavillion, like I was the puppet master, you know,

directing all the. Well, we talked about the pattern of sin, and so I think the way that worked,

my experience of that was I would come in as a cousin, and then Willie was mainly the torment, my tormentor, but it's caused hurt people, hurt people, right? Yeah. I said, your dad, he had to someone before Jeff came on. Your dad had trauma issues. Right. Yeah, because he was the youngest up until for a while. Yeah.

But y'all probably didn't have that because of your mom's influence and the other side.

Because the Howard's a very continuing.

We didn't really have that.

I think because it's just how, like, relaxed my mom is.

So she kind of, like, smoothed that out.

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