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Today on the podcast, we'll be talking to Dr. Jacob Greigiel, the George H.W. Bush

Senior Associate Professor of International Relations at the School of Advanced International

Studies, Johns Hopkins University.

We'll be talking to him about the concept of limited war and how it is shaping the global

security environment in Europe and around the world.

I want to welcome Dr. Greggle to the podcast.

Thank you for coming on.

Given that some of our listeners may not be familiar with the concept of limited war,

I want to jump right in with how you define limited war.

Look, limited war, it's a broad concept and it's kind of fuzzy because every war, after all, is limited, why it's limited in geography and the means used and offering the objectives.

But there's a whole theory and a whole literature on limited war, and broadly speaking,

has two components, partly tied to the historical periods that they examine, a pre-Cold War period in which limited war

essentially meant a war that a state engages in to conquer a piece of territory, a small

piece of territory. It's a war of territorial adjustment, right? You want to conquer a piece of territory, a small piece of territory. It's a war of territorial

adjustment, right? You want to conquer city, a river, a mountain or something like this. And therefore,

you don't want to destroy the hostile state. You just want that piece, that sliver of territory. So you're

not going to mobilize your whole population. You're not going to mobilize your whole army. You're going to go in, take that piece of territory and then hopefully engage in

some sort of negotiations that would settle the hostilities. In the Cold War, in the U.S., in particular,

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