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This podcast explores themes of child abuse and trauma.

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She's very good at recognizing the loopholes in culture and the disempowerment in the systems that she's a part of and she takes advantage of those things fully for her power.

And I think it was at this point where she started to receive

training or guidance from Jody Hildebrandt. My first thought was oh this is a this is a step in

a direction that I didn't see this family going.

And the fact that she was laughing about it in the video and then thought it was okay

to post online just kind of goes to show there was seriously something wrong with her sake either.

And my kids are literally starving. I hesitate to say this because it's going to sound like I'm like a mean

barbarian, but I told the kids I said I'm not even going to let you eat breakfast

until you get your chores done. There were obvious concerns not just in the comment section, but people that

had real reason to believe there was potential abuse going on. I'm Paula Barros and this is the rise and fall of Ruby Frankie presented by Lawing Crime.

When we left off with the Frankie's, Chad, Ruby's oldest son, had recently returned from the

Wilderness Therapy program on Asazi.

The ten weeks he spent in the Arizona desert sparked controversy amongst eight passenger

subscribers. In Chad's absence, fans of the family blog hashed out debates in the comment section, weighing the pros and cons of extreme

intervention for seemingly normal teenage rebellion. But followers opinions fell on

deaf ears. Ruby Frankie may have put her parenting style on the

internet for the whole world to see, but not up for debate. What did you learn?

Well I learned about the three different types of pain, and we can feel pain in ways of our own choices,

other people choices, and just like random events.

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