Energy Policy Is Becoming Less About Utility Bills and More About The Culture War
Brian Lehrer: A Daily Politics Podcast
WNYC Studios
4.4 • 675 Ratings
🗓️ 23 December 2025
⏱️ 24 minutes
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| 0:00.0 | from WNYC studios. I'm Brian Lerer. This is my daily politics podcast. It's Tuesday, |
| 0:11.4 | December 23rd. Brian Lerer on WNYC, you might say the Republican Party used to have an abundance theory of energy policy, develop all |
| 0:23.8 | kinds to keep energy bills low. But an article on the climate focus news site, HeatMap, says, |
| 0:30.7 | not anymore. At least there's tension in the party about that. We'll talk now about the new |
| 0:35.3 | energy restrictionists, including President Trump, |
| 0:38.7 | who made headlines on this yesterday, and we'll get HeatMap's take on the Paris Climate Treaty, |
| 0:43.8 | which just turned 10 years old this month. Did you know that? Looks great on paper. We'll see how much |
| 0:49.0 | it changed the climate. With us now are two guests, Robinson Meyer, founding executive editor of HeatMap. |
| 0:56.3 | He wrote the Paris Accord Story, and J.L. Holzman, senior reporter at HeatMap on her article, |
| 1:03.1 | The Party of All of the Above is now the Party of Anything. |
| 1:07.0 | But Robinson and J.L., thanks for coming on today. Hey there. |
| 1:11.1 | Thank you so much for having us. |
| 1:12.6 | Very excited to be here. Thanks for having us. |
| 1:14.4 | Jail, let me start with you since there's a major new development in your story. |
| 1:18.0 | Maybe start by telling us what President Trump did yesterday on this topic. |
| 1:24.6 | Yesterday, the president used national security claims to order a halt work to the five offshore wind projects currently under development off the coast of the United States in the Atlantic. |
| 1:41.1 | What this ostensibly means is that gigawatts of energy that could power whole |
| 1:48.7 | city's worth of human activity have suddenly halted. |
| 1:54.1 | What we are experiencing under this federal government is a restrictionist approach to quote-unquote renewable energy, |
| 2:04.6 | wind solar energy at utility scale to power human activity. |
| 2:10.9 | And the offshore wind industry has been the most vulnerable target of this government because it relies entirely on acreage or waters that are under federal control. |
| 2:25.6 | And so yesterday, what happened was a potential death knell for the capacity for offshore wind to develop in the United States. Listeners in New York |
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