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🗓️ 11 July 2022
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In Episode 257 of Hidden Forces, Demetri Kofinas speaks with Helen Thompson, author and Professor of Political Economy at the University of Cambridge. Thompson’s current research concentrates on the political economy of energy and the long history of the democratic, economic, and geopolitical disruptions of the twenty-first century, which she explores magisterially in her new book “Disorder: Hard Times in the 21st Century.”
For those of us who grew up in the 1980s and 1990s, the nature of the world as we knew it to be only seemed to be getting better and better. The price of energy and the cost of capital kept getting cheaper, the world kept getting safer and more interconnected, and liberal democracy and free-market capitalism were seen as inevitable outcomes of the end of history. Today, all of that feels like it was almost a dream.
The last two decades have brought a powerful tide of geopolitical, economic, and democratic shocks onto the world. Their fallout has led central banks to create over twenty-five trillion dollars of new money, brought about a new age of geopolitical competition, destabilized the Middle East, ruptured the European Union, and exposed old political fault lines in the United States--fault lines that seem to challenge even those of the tumultuous 1960s and 1970s when the specter of nuclear war and the trauma of violent riots and political assassinations cast a long shadow over the future of the Republic.
This conversation between Helen Thompson and Demetri Kofinas endeavors to draw a line of continuity between those turbulent years and the present political moment as we try to imagine how a future situated in the long arch of human history with all its political challenges, economic imperatives, and destructive wars might unfold. It recounts three histories. One about geopolitics, one about the world economy, and one about western democracies, and explains how in the years of political disorder prior to the pandemic, the disruption in each became part of one big story, much of which originates in problems generated by fossil-fuel energies and our efforts to control them. And it explains why, as the green transition takes place, the longstanding predicaments that energy invariably shapes will remain firmly in place.
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Episode Recorded on 07/06/2022
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0:00.0 | What's up everybody? My name is Demetra Caffeines and you're listening to Hidden Forces, |
0:06.1 | a podcast that inspires investors, entrepreneurs and everyday citizens to challenge consensus |
0:13.0 | narratives and to learn how to think critically about the systems of power shaping our world. |
0:18.6 | My guest in this week's episode is author and professor of political economy at the University |
0:24.0 | of Cambridge, Helen Thompson. Helen's current research concentrates on the political economy |
0:29.9 | of energy and the long history of the democratic, economic and geopolitical disruptions of the 21st |
0:36.8 | century, which she explores magisterially in her new book Disorder, Hard Times in the 21st century. |
0:45.1 | For those of us who grew up in the 1980s and 1990s, the nature of the world as we knew it to be |
0:51.4 | only seemed to be getting better and better. The price of energy and the cost of capital |
0:57.1 | kept getting cheaper, the world kept getting safer and more interconnected and liberal |
1:02.3 | democracy and free market capitalism were seen as inevitable outcomes of the end of history. |
1:09.5 | Today, all of that feels like it was almost a dream. The last two decades to quote my guest, |
1:17.5 | Helen Thompson, have brought a powerful tide of geopolitical, economic and democratic shocks |
1:25.0 | onto the world. Their fallout has led central banks to create over $25 trillion of new money. |
1:32.4 | Brought about a new age of geopolitical competition destabilized them at least, |
1:36.9 | ruptured the European Union and exposed old political fault lines right here in the United States. |
1:43.4 | Fault lines that seemed to challenge even those of the tumultuous 1960s and 1970s. |
1:49.9 | On the spectre of nuclear war and the trauma of violent riots and political assassinations |
1:56.4 | cast a long shadow over the future of the Republic. Today's conversation endeavours to draw a line |
2:03.4 | of continuity between those turbulent years and the present political moment. As we try to |
2:09.3 | imagine how a future situated in the long arc of human history with all its political challenges, |
2:16.2 | economic imperatives and destructive wars might unfold. It recounts three histories, |
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