Hey everybody, Greg Laurie here.

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If a city next to me is Michael, who's become a good friend,

and you know, of all the stories and testimonies I've

heard over the years, I've never heard one quite like this.

I mean, I've heard of guys coming out of a life of crime.

I've heard of guys coming out of gangs.

I've heard of people coming out of drug addiction, but I've never

spoken to a person that was a made man, i.e. a good fella.

And sometimes when we talk about the mob, we call it the mafia,

but the mafia is really describing more the Italian arm of

organized crime.

Or am I wrong in that?

No, the mafia really exists in Italy, in America.

It's called a cause and ostrich means this thing of ours.

And there's similar organizations, but if you're a made man in

Italy, you're not automatically made in America.

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