Hello there, it's Nora McEnerney and this is the Terrible Reading Club, which I like

to refer to as great books for terrible times.

And part of what's terrible sometimes is how easy it is for people to hate each other

and how hard it is for people to talk to each other in meaningful ways when we disagree.

And while it's certainly not a phenomenon that's brand new, the internet certainly has

made it easier for us to voice our dislike for people in ways that are not always helpful

or productive.

Dylan Marin is the author of the book Conversations with People Who Hate Me.

A book that grew out of his podcast of the same name is a book about why we are, how

we are, and how we could change, how we could engage in ways that are meaningful and potentially

even transformative.

I loved this book because I needed it.

I have been a person who just gets online and is like, oh, I mean, tell you something

buddy, and I've also been on the receiving end of it and really, it never feels great

for anyone involved.

But Dylan's the person who wrote the literal book on this.

So let's hear from him.

I want you to tell me about the game of the internet and when you first started to play

it.

The game of the internet, I don't think I realized that I was playing the game of the

internet for a while.

I think in my early days, I definitely thought that the internet was this gift for all of

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