Emma Gannon: The Butterfly Era

Everything Happens with Kate Bowler

Kate Bowler

Society & Culture, Religion & Spirituality, Health & Fitness

4.8 • 5.1K Ratings

🗓️ 19 March 2024

⏱️ 52 minutes

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Summary

So much of modern culture emphasizes success, hard work, and ambition. But what if we don’t conquer every problem or reach every mountaintop? How do you live with the hunger for more while letting yourself have limits and be tired and say no and shut it down too? In this conversation, Kate and Emma Gannon discuss: Why ambition isn’t necessarily a bad thing How Emma reacted to a season of severe burnout and what wisdom she has for all of us How bucket lists can inadvertently place us in a game we are never going to win (Psst… It’s okay to simmer down a bit) Watch clips from this conversation, read the full transcript, and access discussion questions by clicking here or visiting katebowler.com/podcasts. Follow Kate on Instagram, Facebook, or X (formerly known as Twitter)—@katecbowler. Links to social pages and more available at linktr.ee/katecbowler. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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0:00.0	This episode of Everything Happens is brought to you by booking.
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0:11.7	This episode is sponsored in part by the Fetzer Institute.
0:15.0	Despite the time and money were pouring into policy reform to address society's biggest challenges,
0:22.0	how much progress are we making really?
0:24.8	The Fetzer Institute believes in cultivating ancient wisdom traditions to tackle today's
0:29.5	problems.
0:30.9	Fetzer is catalyzing a movement of leaders and funders who are applying a wide variety of faith-based and spiritual solutions to the world's toughest challenges.
0:40.0	Learn more about how to bring faith and spirituality back into the conversation at fetzer.org.
0:47.0	Hello, my name is Kate Bowler and I am a monster.
0:50.0	Okay, that's not my typical opener. a monster.
0:59.4	Okay, that's not my typical opener, but I am the kind of monster who loves sticker charts.
1:06.8	Like really, for every project I work on on I create a sticker chart. I want to feel rewarded for every paragraph that I write toward a dissertation or a project or I don't know going on a walk again today. I just love goal setting and I love the feeling of momentum.
1:19.3	It feels like a kind of hunger I never get tired of having. And yet there are times when my chronic pain or
1:29.9	a life of managing doctor's appointments or child care or saving myself from my own ambitions
1:37.2	means I can't do it all. The goals need to be shifted. The sticker chart needs to be spaced out. The
1:45.0	research or whatever it is that I hoped for might just take a little longer to finish.
1:51.0	This is everything happens. And today we're talking about the pull
1:56.9	towards success and ambition in our culture of hard work and how we might get a little
2:02.4	drunk on that kind of feeling and then realize
2:06.0	that we are human again today and we might not reach every peak or conquer every problem or get rewarded for every good thing.
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