Ice coffee, lemon blazers and time out with the fam,

even if you sometimes have to do it through a pinched smile.

There are a million things that I'm thankful for today,

but what is my guest thankful for?

I remember being like about eight and being like obsessed with Madonna.

So I was going around like Rialto in like this red tut-to, biker jacket, with an afro. It was too

much. It was too much for me. I'm Angela Scanman and welcome to Thanks a Million where we

explore our guest's personal gratitude list to find out the things that have shaped their lives.

Today's guest is the fabulous Emma Dabury, an author, academic and broadcaster.

Born in Dublin to an Irish mother and Nigerian father, Emma's debut book,

Don't Touch My Hair, was published in 2019 to widespread critical acclaim, and this year was

followed by another fascinating game changer of book,

The Sunday Times and Irish Times bestseller, What White People Can Do Next, from allyship to Coalition.

It's a must read, drawing on years of research and personal experience to challenge us all to create meaningful, lasting change.

And I would encourage you to grab a copy if you haven't

already. It's also lovely on a shelf. As well as being a frequent writer on race and racism, Emma

has also co-presented BBC 4's Britain's Lost Masterpieces and journeys to Afro Futurism as well

as Channel 4 documentaries such as Is Love Racist. She also has a PhD in Visual Sociology from Goldsmiths and is a teaching fellow at the School

of Oriental and African Studies in London.

In other words, she's a smart cookie and a voice we are all very, very thankful to have.

She's also funny as hell.

Just before we get into that, what are you thankful for right now? This one is

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