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Pulling The Thread with Elise Loehnen

Embracing the Shadow (Connie Zweig, PhD)

Pulling The Thread with Elise Loehnen

Elise Loehnen

Society & Culture, Religion & Spirituality, Self-improvement, Education

4.8900 Ratings

🗓️ 4 January 2024

⏱️ 54 minutes

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Summary

“If you have a reaction to a stranger or someone in the media or someone in politics or someone who's just providing this kind of blank slate because you don't really know him or her, then it's a projection. And yes, there's often a sensation in the body that's negative. It could be fear, it could be distrust, it could be disgust, right? And then there's the flip side. There's positive projection, which happens in the spiritual universe a lot. When someone is looking for a charismatic leader, then they're going to project their own awakening, their own compassion, their own wisdom onto the leader, the clergy person. So the content of the projection can be anything, what we view as negative, what we view as positive.” So says Connie Zweig, a Jungian therapist and author who has focused much of her career exploring and teasing out the implications of the shadow, which is how Carl Jung referred to the unconscious. Chances are that you’ve been hearing more and more about shadow work—it’s having a moment—in part, I’m convinced, because it’s a concept whose time has come. As I’ve written about a lot in my Substack newsletter, we are swimming in collective shadow, unable and unwilling to process our share of it. When we don’t take on this unconscious material, or darkness, our tendency is to project it onto other people and groups, to get away from it as quickly as possible. But, of course, it doesn’t work like that—our shadow is ours. It’s our blind spot. When we’re willing to face our shadow, to access it, to allow it to emerge, we often find that it’s full of gold. In fact, Jung believed that the shadow is the source of all of our energy, the main mechanism for growth—ask anyone who has gone through hard or dark times and they will likely tell you that the experience propelled them forward in unexpected ways, often for the better.  Connie and I explore all of these concepts and then some, as she’s one of the most prodigious writers in the space. She co-authored Meeting the Shadow and Romancing the Shadow, which are essential anthologies and texts, and then more recently wrote Meeting the Shadow on the Spiritual Path, which explores what happens when the shadow, or darkness, is unresolved in spiritual and religious communities. She’s also the author of The Inner Work of Age: Shifting from Role to Soul, which is an exploration of the shadow of aging in our ageist culture. I’m hoping she comes back to the podcast soon so we can discuss that book at length.  MORE FROM CONNIE ZWEIG, PHD: The Inner Work of Age: Shifting from Role to Soul Meeting the Shadow on the Spiritual Path: The Dance of Darkness and Light in Our Search for Awakening Romancing the Shadow: A Guide to Soul Work for a Vital, Authentic Life Meeting the Shadow: The Hidden Power of the Dark Side of Human Nature A Moth to the Flame: The Life of the Sufi Poet Rumi Connie Zweig’s Website To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Hi, it's Elise Lunan host of Pulling the Thread. Today's guest is Jungian therapist and author Connie Zweig,

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Post your free job on LinkedIn.com slash agree today. Hi, it's Elise Lunan, host of Pulling the Thread. On this show, we pull apart the web in which we all live to understand who we are and why we're here. Pulling the thread is about big questions, why we do what we do, how we can understand our own experiences within a larger spiritual and historical context, the ways in which we might begin to understand

1:12.1

ourselves and each other better, and what's required to heal ourselves and our world.

1:17.4

I'll be joined in conversation by luminaries and wise elders, those who have laid tracks in their

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work and lives to help us bring meaning and understanding to a world that often feels chaotic

1:27.4

and overwhelming.

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My hope is that these conversations spark moments of resonance and plant tiny seeds of awareness

1:33.9

so that we might all collectively learn and grow.

1:38.9

If you have a reaction to a stranger or someone in the media or someone in politics or someone

1:47.0

who's just this kind of blank slate because you don't really know him or her, then it's a projection.

1:55.0

And yes, there's often a sensation in the body that's negative.

2:00.0

It could be fear, It could be distrust. It could be discussed,

2:07.5

right? And then there's the flip side. There's positive projection, which happens in the spiritual

2:14.2

universe a lot. When someone is looking for a charismatic leader, then they're

2:19.9

going to project their own awakening, their own compassion, their own wisdom onto the leader,

2:27.2

the clergy person. So the content of the projection can be anything, what we view as negative, what we view as positive.

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