Welcome to the podcast Think Bivocally, conversations on faith and culture. I'm your

host Sean McDow, Professor of Apologetics at Taub School of Theology by O'L University.

And I'm your co-host Scott Ray, Dean of Faculty and Professor of Christian Ethics,

also at Talbot School of Theology, Biola University.

Today we're here with a friend of Biola and a friend of ours personally who's been on the show before.

In fact, you'll recognize the name Preston Sprinkle because the interview we had with him in 2018

was the number one Listen to podcast of that year.

We're having them back to discuss a similar topic,

transgender identities, because he has a fantastic new book

out called Embodied.

Preston, thanks so much for coming back on the show.

Hey, thanks for having me on, you guys, really appreciate it.

So let me start with the obvious question.

I know everybody asked you this, but clearly the question

of transgender identities is just a controversial heated topic.

You have a pastoral heart motivated by unity.

So why write a book on this topic?

I do get that.

I do get that question a lot.

I mean, honestly, with any book topic

that I write on, it typically is fueled

by some relational context in my life,

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