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Robert Wright's Nonzero

Elon v. OpenAI, Google vs Itself (Robert Wright & Timothy B. Lee)

Robert Wright's Nonzero

Nonzero

News & Politics, Society & Culture, Philosophy

4.7618 Ratings

🗓️ 7 March 2024

⏱️ 52 minutes

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Summary

This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit www.nonzero.org

0:31 The other Tim B. Lee 3:16 Unpacking the Elon v. OpenAI case 14:04 How did Google’s Gemini go wrong? 25:24 The unsung ingenious side of Gemini 34:39 Is AI a bubble? 38:53 Are some LLM issues insoluble? 44:39 How Sora changes the AI picture 51:12 Heading to Overtime

Robert Wright (Nonzero, The Evolution of God, Why Buddhism Is True) and Timothy B. Lee (Full Stack Economics, Understanding AI). Recorded March 6, 2024.

Tim's Understanding AI newsletter on Substack:

Twitter: https://twitter.com/NonzeroPods

Overtime titles:

0:00 Are LLMs general learning machines? Are human minds? 6:44 The Darwinian dynamics of machine learning 13:37 How to conceptualize how LLMs conceptualize 20:04 Is digital technology’s impact on society overstated?

Transcript

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0:00.0

You're listening to Robert Wright's Non-Zero Podcast.

0:33.0

Hi, Tim.

0:34.7

Hey, Bob.

0:35.6

How are you doing?

0:36.6

I'm doing great.

0:37.4

How are you? Can't complain doing great. How are you?

0:38.6

Can't complain.

0:39.5

Let me introduce us.

0:40.2

I'm Robert Wright, publisher with Non-Zero Newsletter.

0:42.4

This is a Non-Zero podcast.

0:45.1

And you are Timothy B. Lee, author of the Understanding AI newsletter, which I recommend

0:51.1

to everyone.

0:52.5

Now, I have a question for you.

0:53.8

Did you, you call

0:55.6

yourself Timothy B. Lee in hopes that you'll be mixed up with Tim Bernersley, invented the

1:00.5

World Wide Web, and you'll get good seats at restaurants. Some people have accused me of

1:04.8

pretending to be Tim Bernersley, but most people seem to be able to tell the difference between us.

1:10.2

He's, you know, he's British.

1:13.2

He's older.

1:15.3

I interviewed him for several hours for a piece I did a long time ago on Time Magazine.

1:19.3

Nice guy.

1:20.4

No, I've never met him.

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