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Elon Musk and the Cult of Tesla: Are We Seeing a Bubble Bursting in Tech? | Mark Spiegel

Hidden Forces

Demetri Kofinas

Business, Government

4.81.6K Ratings

🗓️ 9 April 2018

⏱️ 65 minutes

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Summary

In Episode 39 of Hidden Forces, Demetri Kofinas speaks with Mark Spiegel about how Elon Musk may very well be the personification of a bubble in tech.

When asked to name a hero of the modern age, most people don't have to think long before giving their answer. Elon Musk is the man who sits at the helm of this era's most disruptive industries. Through SpaceX, Musk is democratizing space and leading humanity into an era that's dominated by privately held companies — an era in which anyone can, quite literally, reach for the stars. His Boring company is set to revolutionize travel by making vacuum-powered, ultra-high-speed transportation systems a reality. And Elon Musk is even transforming that which is most immutable: the human brain. In 2016, Musk founded Neuralink to develop implantable brain-computer interfaces and meld the human mind with machines. Then, of course, there is Tesla, the electric car company that has shaken the foundations of the fossil fuel industry and given society its first self-driving vehicles. Or, has it?

The cult of Elon Musk surpasses anything we have seen in decades. Even Steve Jobs did not command as much adoration from his congregations of the faithful. And yet, something is rotten in the state of Denmark…

Tesla sits at the intersection of a number of powerful forces: the ready availability of cheap financing, the growing wealth and income gap, and the preponderance of technology in popular culture. In this sense, Tesla is about more than just electric vehicles or the car manufacturing business. It is a poster child for the financial excesses, stock price manipulations, and cult-like followings of Silicon Valley.

And as the Federal Reserve continues to tighten by raising interest rates, companies like Tesla, which have relied on cheap financing in order to fund their businesses, are feeling increasing pressure. Exhibit A: the company's stock, which was besieged by speculative shorts and heavy selling in March of this year. Tesla's stock recouped more than half of those losses shortly thereafter but, serious questions remain about the company's path towards profitability. Indeed, does it even have one?

Even if Tesla can raise the capital it needs from investors over the next six months, can it manage to overcome the major production challenges that have plagued the Model 3? What happens when Jaguar, Audi, Mercedes, and Porsche each come to market with their own electric vehicles, some of which are cheaper than Tesla's suite of electric cars? Finally, what about Elon Musk?

The famous short seller Jim Chanos, who took down Enron in the early 2000's for defrauding its investors, has made similar claims against the popular Silicon Valley car executive. And Chanos isn't alone in his rebukes. Mark Spiegel, Managing Member and Portfolio Manager of Stanphyl Capital Partners, has also been openly critical of Elon Musk, whom he believes is committing securities fraud by misleading investors about the capabilities of Tesla's present and future products and financial prospects.

In last week's episode, we asked about the path towards profitability for Tesla. In this week's episode, host Demetri Kofinas is joined by Mark Spiegel, who questions the credibility of Elon Musk as CEO of the electric car company. We examine whether Tesla can survive the onslaught of bad publicity amid a rocky period for capital markets and for the company's stock. Ten years from now, will we look back at Tesla as the poster child for this latest bull market?

As always, this episode of Hidden Forces is for informational purposes only and should not be relied upon as the basis for financial decisions. All views expressed by Demetri Kofinas and podcast guests are solely their own opinions and should not be construed as financial advice.

Producer & Host: Demetri Kofinas

Editor & Engineer: Stylianos Nicolaou

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Transcript

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0:00.0

What's up everybody?

0:09.0

What's up everybody?

0:10.0

What's up everybody?

0:11.0

Welcome to this week's episode of Hidden Forces with me,

0:14.3

Demetric of Phoenix. Today I speak with Mark Spiegel, managing member and

0:18.9

portfolio manager of Stanford Capital Partners, a New York-based equity investor.

0:25.0

Prior to founding Stanford in 2011, Mark spent six years as an investment banker financing

0:31.0

public companies having started his career in commercial real estate

0:34.8

where he experienced firsthand the sorts of real world challenges and opportunities that

0:39.6

he credits for much of his later success. Mark, welcome that in forces.

0:44.3

Thank you. I'm really happy to be here.

0:46.1

Yeah, it's exciting having you here, man. I'm actually looking forward to an education

0:49.3

and to a good laugh with you. Normally I have people's quotes and I have some of yours

0:54.2

they're great and they're sort of in my little quote list here which I had with

0:57.1

Charlie but I the thing I pulled up that I like more which I think captures

1:02.4

who I think you are based on the very

1:04.4

limited contact that we've had already is your Twitter profile which says investor

1:11.2

managing member of Stanford Capital, the Stanford Capital, a wise guy, I buy deep value and short bubbles

1:16.8

and I don't do it quietly.

1:19.5

I have a huge mouth for the size of my fund.

1:21.9

There's no question.

1:22.8

I could tell talking to the phone. This would be great.

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