I mean, I feel like I never do anything mind-blowing. I'm just like,

did you know that this story is about a nice lady? Like, I just want us all to be sure

there's a nice lady in this story.

Welcome to your wrong about where we crack the crab shell of the headlines and extract the

juicy empathy within. Oh! That was not a listener suggestion, which is why it's so fucking weird.

I'm trying to see how far we can extend this metaphor of like the fibers and the innards and

cleaning it. Yeah, where you just were you crack open something that you only saw within this

hard shell and are like, there's a whole, there's a whole lot of soft stuff and a whole lot of

stuff that you can't cut off your hands very easily. I am Michael Hobbs. I'm a reporter for the

Having Your Post. My name is Sarah Marshall and I'm a writer working on a book about the

Satanic Panic. And today we're talking about Ellie on Gonzalez. Yes. My sense of the story is

that Ellie and Gonzalez was this little kid from Cuba whose parents were divorced and his mom

had decided to bring him to America and they had tried to make the passage over water and she had

died and then he was rescued and taken in. I think by her family or by his dad, but some family

that he had in Miami and that it was just this protracted citizen roof like battle that sort of

stopped being about the actual person pretty early. Yeah. Yeah. Where it was like he has to stay

in America where he can have a good life. No, he has to go back to Cuba. Yeah. I feel like there's

a sense of like we can't let Castro get this kid back in a way. Yeah, totally. Yeah. So at this time

I'm used to download onto my compact prasario. This flash animation thing called like news with

Skeeter. I remember that one of the images of this was that some arm of the American government

basically came to like take Ellie and Gonzalez out of his extended families house in Florida and

they like came in with all these guns. Yeah. There was some connection that I believe like news with

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