Species, unite, unite.

Species unite.

So it's a very expensive process.

It has a lot of inefficiencies and a lot of those costs are due to failures.

I think we are at the point where so many of these

methods have shown in studies to be more predictive for humans that it really is an issue of human health.

We need to do better for patients.

We know we can and that these methods exist,

so we need to use them. Hi, I'm Elizabeth Navregatz. This is Species Unite. We'd like to thank Lush for

sponsoring today's episode. Lush advocates for people, animals, and the planet.

Through their ethically sourced ingredients

and their grants program,

they give back locally and around the world. This past season we have focused quite a bit on animal research and experimentation.

And a lot of our focus has been really on just how bad it is,

how bad it is for the animals, how bad it is for science,

and how bad it is for taxpayers who are spending so much money on this stuff.

What we haven't focused enough on are solutions and there are solutions.

There are so many human-relevant methods that are there to replace animal testing and many more on the way.

So today's conversation is with Elizabeth Baker.

Elizabeth is the director of research policy for the Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine.

They're a nationwide organization of Physicians and Lay Persons

that promote preventative medicine, they conduct clinical research,

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