You're listening to the CyberWire Museum in Washington, D.C.

I'm Dr. Vince Hote, the Museum's historian and curator. Every month,

the Museum brings you interesting talks with authors, scholars, and practitioners who live in the world of

global espionage.

Join us as we take a closer look at the secret world of intelligence.

Our guest today is political director and chief White House correspondent for NBC News Chuck Todd.

He is also the host of the Daily Run Down, which airs every weekday on MS NBC from 9 to 10

AM.

He is also a political correspondent for the Today Show, for NBC News with Brian Williams, and

for Meet the Press.

Chuck Todd, thank you for coming to the International Spy Museum.

You got it.

Great place to be to talk politics.

Absolutely. All right. So I've noticed a trend certainly in the last

several election cycles where campaigns have been using spy tradecraft for

things that normally are in the purview of

intelligence agencies in order to win campaigns. There are several of these I

want to talk to you about today. The easiest one and the one most people might know about is this idea of tracking and

tracking candidates.

Immediately I thought when I was thinking about this of the Makaka incident.

Well it's the most infamous, right, and it's that one and what's interesting

about it it was this was out in the out in the plain view the campaign and of

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