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Elaine Pagels Wants to Show You the Real Jesus of Nazareth

RadioWest

KUER

Society & Culture

4.8740 Ratings

🗓️ 2 April 2025

⏱️ 51 minutes

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Summary

The evidence is clear that Jesus of Nazareth was a real, historical person. But beyond that, says the scholar Elaine Pagels, there are more questions than answers about what kind of person Jesus was and what can be known about his life.

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0:15.6

The scholarly Lane Pagels is maybe best known for her work exploring the themes of Christianity that emerged

0:22.2

from a collection of ancient texts uncovered near Nag Hammata Egypt in 1945. These are early and

0:29.3

Gnostic writings found sealed in an earthenware jar. And the books focused more on spiritual and

0:35.8

mystical knowledge than institutional religion.

0:39.7

And Pagel's work on them helped to reveal an early Christian landscape that was way more

0:44.9

diverse and esoteric than anyone realized.

0:48.1

But before any of all that, Elaine Pagels had a conversion experience.

0:53.4

This was in San Francisco at Candlestick Park,

0:56.4

where the evangelist Billy Graham had taken his crusade for Christ.

1:02.1

When I was about 14, someone invited me to San Francisco, and I didn't know what we were going to.

1:10.3

I didn't know who this person, Billy Graham was,

1:12.8

but we ended up in this massive sports stadium with 18,000 people and an evangelical preacher

1:22.7

who was quite charismatic.

1:24.6

Have mercy upon me, and Jesus touched him, and he was healed.

1:28.3

And he spoke very powerfully about what his faith meant to him,

1:34.6

and then about what you could be born again and have a new life,

1:38.3

and I thought that was great.

1:40.0

The son of man has come to seek and save that which was lost.

1:48.6

And there are thousands of people here tonight that are lost.

1:53.3

You're not lost from your parents.

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