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El Salvador Decimated Gangs. But at What Cost?

The Daily

The New York Times

Daily News, News

4.4102.8K Ratings

🗓️ 7 February 2024

⏱️ 29 minutes

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Summary

El Salvador has experienced a remarkable transformation. What had once been one of the most violent countries in the world has become incredibly safe. Natalie Kitroeff, the New York Times bureau chief for Mexico, Central America and the Caribbean, discusses the cost of that transformation to the people of El Salvador, and the man at the center of it, the newly re-elected President Nayib Bukele. Guest: Natalie Kitroeff, the New York Times bureau chief for Mexico, Central America and the Caribbean.

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0:00.0

From the New York Times, I'm Sabrina Taverny Sea, and this is the Daily.

0:07.0

El Salvador has experienced a remarkable transformation.

0:15.0

What had been one of the most violent countries of the world has become incredibly safe.

0:21.0

Today, my colleague Natalie Ketroev, on the cost of that transformation to the people of El Salvador

0:28.9

and the man at the center of it, President Naib Bukhle, who claimed victory in an election on Sunday.

0:36.0

It's Wednesday, February 7th.

0:50.0

So Natalie, you've spent the past few months reporting on El Salvador. Tell us what you've been finding in your reporting.

0:52.0

Yeah, so I've been really interested in El Salvador since I became the Bureau Chief in Mexico City.

0:58.4

I mean, this is this tiny country, the smallest country in Central America, that now has this broad resonance

1:06.3

across the region because it has undergone a remarkable transformation in the last few years. Now to really understand the magnitude of

1:15.4

this change of what's happened you have to remember that El Salvador was long

1:19.7

known as one of the world's most violent countries.

1:24.0

Government troops in El Salvador.

1:29.0

Nowhere in the world today is there a fiercer bloodier

1:34.4

battle for control of a nation. This is violence that traces itself back to this

1:39.7

bloody civil war that the country fought ended in 1992. It sent hundreds of thousands

1:46.2

of Salvadorans fleeing to the United States where they developed these street gangs.

1:51.4

In El Salvador, they fight against each other but in Los Angeles

1:54.9

they stand side by side on street corners hoping to find a day's work. You know the

1:59.0

MS-13 gang the 18th street gang. This government video shows some of the arrestees getting on a plane, being deported.

2:06.5

And when the US started deporting Salvadorans back home,

2:10.0

in this case back to El Salvador, and leaving the plane free of handcuffs and leg chains.

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