Effectively Wild Episode 1740: Thumb WAR
Effectively Wild: A FanGraphs Baseball Podcast
Ben Lindbergh, Meg Rowley
4.7 • 2.7K Ratings
🗓️ 1 September 2021
⏱️ 98 minutes
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Summary

Ben Lindbergh talks to Defector’s David Roth about the Mets’ freefall in the standings, the extremely Metsy controversy surrounding multiple players giving the thumbs down to fans, and how the franchise still practices Wilpon-era self-sabotage. Then (46:18) Ben “benters” with Ben Clemens from FanGraphs about the post-sticky-stuff collapse of demoted Cleveland closer James Karinchak, the continued success of aged ace Adam Wainwright, and the consistent kind-of-good-ness of the still-contending Cardinals. Lastly (1:27:08), Ben (the first one) Stat Blasts about the most runs scored in a game with no earned runs, the longest streaks of consecutive pinch hitters, and the most outs made with runners in scoring position.
Audio intro: Dinosaur Jr., "Thumb"
Audio interstitial: Semisonic, "Get a Grip"
Audio outro: 2nd Grade, "Sucking the Thumb"
Link to David on the Mets
Link to Ray Ratto on Steve Cohen
Link to Deesha Thosar on the thumbs
Link to NL East playoff odds graph
Link to BP IL Ledger
Link to early Mets thumbs downs
Link to Deesha on the Mets’ apologies
Link to Alderson’s statement
Link to fan stress study
Link to Operation Shutdown retrospective
Link to Defector birthday party
Link to tweet about Bens on podcasts
Link to reliever championship belt article
Link to The Athletic on Karinchak
Link to Defector on Karinchak’s Instagram
Link to biggest in-season K rate drops
Link to Devan Fink on Richards
Link to Ben L. on post-sticky-stuff offense
Link to Karinchak’s 4-seam spin by game
Link to Patrick Dubuque on Miley
Link to Ben Clemens on the Cardinals’ records
Link to Ben Clemens on Wainwright
Link to Nathan Grimm on Wainwright
Link to Mike Petriello on Wainwright
Link to Wainwright on sticky stuff
Link to Cardinals defense by pitcher
Link to Timothy Jackson on RPM losers
Link to Rob Arthur on RPM losers
Link to list of all-unearned-runs games
Link to story on 1987 Petralli game
Link to info on consecutive pinch hitters
Link to article on 1979 Mauch game
Link to story on 2016 Rockies/D-backs game
Link to data on most team outs w/RISP
Link to data on most team LOB
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| 0:00.0 | Step it out, I try to fix it. |
| 0:05.0 | I'm going to go out of that hole. |
| 0:11.0 | Give me ingredients, I'll fix it. |
| 0:18.0 | I can't get moving out of your hole. |
| 0:27.0 | Hello and welcome to episode 1740 of Effectively Wild and A-Spot Podcasts and Vangraths presented by our Patreon supporters. |
| 0:35.0 | I am Ben Mimberg of the Ringer, my co-host Meg Rally is on vacation, and so once again two guests will fill in for her. |
| 0:41.0 | First up is the great David Roth of the Factor. |
| 0:44.0 | Last time we talked about the Yankees, the New York team whose playoff fortunes improved dramatically in August. |
| 0:49.0 | That was the best of times for one of New York's teams. |
| 0:52.0 | Today we'll talk about the worst of times for the New York Mets, who have seen their fortunes fall just as steeply as the Yankees have seen theirs rise. |
| 0:59.0 | Not only are they losing a lot, but they're also sort of feuding with fans. |
| 1:03.0 | Keep in mind that we recorded this segment before the Mets walked off the Marwens on Tuesday in the continuation of a suspended game from April. |
| 1:10.0 | And the hero of that game in the ninth was none other than one of the instigators of that feud Javier Bias, who had an RBI infield single to keep the Mets alive and then scored on a Michael Conforto walkoff. |
| 1:21.0 | So at least for a day, I'm sure some of the bad blood stopped boiling. |
| 1:24.0 | Bias was predictably booed when he pinched hit in the eighth, but the booze turned to cheers, at least temporarily, in the following inning. |
| 1:31.0 | Fans are fickle. |
| 1:32.0 | And Conforto said we gotta keep winning, winning is all we want, winning is all the fans want. |
| 1:36.0 | We're all pulling in the same direction here. |
| 1:38.0 | I can tell you that the guys wanted to win this game about as badly as any other game we've played. |
| 1:42.0 | In short, winning cures all. |
| 1:44.0 | And as you'll hear shortly, they have many more ills to cure, and they'll need many more wins in a short spin of time to get back to the game. |
| 1:50.0 | After that, I will be joined by Ben Clemens of fan graphs to talk about another swift fall. |
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