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Hello and welcome to episode 1442 of effectively wild a baseball podcast from fan graphs presented by our patreon supporters

I am Ben Berger of the ringer joined by Sam Miller of ESPN. Hello, Sam

Ben, I just listened to you and me talking about the final game of the Dodgers Nationals

Yeah, and I have some thoughts. Okay. I really appreciated your conversation

I took me took me on some swings and helped me help me formulate some thoughts and

clarify some thoughts and so one of the thoughts that I had been thinking about a lot since the frequent shots of Clayton Kershaw in the dugout after he allowed those two home runs and then the

outpouring of articles and tweets and so forth talking about how bad everybody felt for Kershaw was

comparing that to the experience of being Joe Kelly

Which is kind of very different than Kershaw Kershaw of course is so good at baseball

It has so many supporters and when he fails and feels extremely sad feels heartbroken

He gets a this tremendous outpouring of support from people who

See in him a kind of an experience they relate to and they think it's not fair

He's so good. He doesn't deserve to be defined by this and his teammates support him and his coaches

There were articles about his coaches coming over to support him and of course, you know you and Megan everybody else

Supports him and for Joe Kelly Joe Kelly's experiences much more common for baseball players

Which is that when he fails he doesn't have

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