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This is Masters in Business with Barry Rittoltz on Bloomberg Radio.

This week on the podcast, I have an extra special guest, really fascinating conversation with Philip Carlson Slezak.

He's got a really interesting background.

Chief economist at Sanford Bernstein, worked at the OECD, began at McKinsey, ended up as global chief economist for the Boston Consultant Group, and really approaches economic analysis from a very different perspective,

critical of the industry's over-reliance on models, which have proven themselves to be not great predictors of what happens next,

especially when the future in any way differs from the past.

And so when we have things like the dot-com implosion or especially internal to the market,

the financial crisis of 0809, and even COVID models just don't give you a good assessment.

And he describes how he reached this conclusion in his book,

shocks, crises, and false alarms, how to assess true macroeconomic risk.

He calls out a lot of people who get things wrong, especially the doomsayers,

who not only have been forecasting recessions incorrectly for, I don't know, the better part of

15 years, most especially since COVID, but their models just simply don't allow them to

understanding a dynamic changing global

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