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I'm Anne Strain Champs.

Today we're asking, in the face of climate change, can we find hope?

You've read the headlines.

Brutal storms, heat waves, rising sea levels and droughts, the future is looking pretty scary.

But there are some ecologists and environmentalists

who think we're telling the wrong kind of story

about the big problem of climate change.

It's not a big problem that kills the human spirit.

It is feeling useless.

It is feeling powerless.

So all of these messages that we hope will motivate people, we have to present them in a way that shows a sense of possibility, that engages them in being part of the solution.

All of us is being part of the solution. And that's really the passion of my life.

Frances Morla Pei is best known for her 1970s book, Diet for a Small Planet.

She's been at the front lines of the sustainability movement for decades. And her latest book,

Eco Mind, is less about carbon footprints and more about how we frame the future. She remembers

the day she realized that environmentalists were getting the climate

change message all wrong. I walked out of an enormously impressive climate conference a few years ago

where all these top speakers, my heroes all presented. The audience kept dwindling as the conference

went on. And I walked out the door on the last day,

and I thought, wow, has lead landed, implanted in my bones? I could hardly move. I was so paralyzed.

And I thought, wait a minute, this isn't working. And so I set out to reframe the challenge. And that had a lot to do

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