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Do This, NOT That: Marketing Tips with Jay Schwedelson

EASY Instant Boost to Click-Throughs and Conversions! 🫠(and My 50th Bday Plans?)🫠 Jay’s SCOOP | Ep. 490

Do This, NOT That: Marketing Tips with Jay Schwedelson

GURU Media Hub

Education, Marketing, How To, Business, Entrepreneurship

4.91K Ratings

🗓️ 23 January 2026

⏱️ 9 minutes

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Summary

Ever notice how a “No thanks” button can make you feel weirdly judged? That is the whole point of today’s quick-hit tactic from Jay Schwedelson, and it can lift conversions fast with a simple two-button rewrite. Then things take a hard left into Jay’s personal dream for turning 50: two days on a farm, hanging with chickens, trying to feel like a functional adult.

Best Moments:

(00:16) A five-second landing page tweak that can spike conversions without any tech headache

(00:57) The magic move: make the Yes button heroic and the No button painfully self-owning

(01:45) Big brand examples that use it and why it keeps working on us

(03:15) The lift by page type, including a big jump for newsletter signups

(03:42) The psychology behind it: framing effect and loss aversion make “No” feel like a loss

(06:36) Jay’s 50th birthday wish: live on a farm for two days and vibe with the chickens

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Transcript

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0:00.0

Welcome to Do This Not That, the podcast from marketers.

0:05.0

We share quick tips, things you can do right now, and then we add a little bit of chaos at the end of every episode.

0:11.0

We also keep it short, like this intro. Let's check it out.

0:15.0

We are back for Do This, Not That, and I get excited whenever there are tactics that cost nothing, take five seconds to try.

0:26.1

You don't need to get your IT department involved.

0:28.2

And they can increase your conversions by over 20%.

0:31.5

It doesn't matter if you're a business marketer, a consumer marketer, a nonprofit marketer.

0:36.3

This crush it.

0:37.4

So what are we

0:37.7

talking about? We're talking about false choice button pairing. What? What does that even mean?

0:45.2

And yes, big brands do this all the time. I'll give you a million examples. It crushes it.

0:50.3

But if I said to you, okay, you're on this landing page, all right, and there are two buttons

0:56.4

on the page. One button says, yes, show me the playbook. And then another button says, no, I like

1:04.2

wasting money. Which one are you going to click? You're going to click the one that says, yes,

1:09.1

show me the playbook, right? Because you don't want to feel like a loser.

1:13.6

You don't want to be like, no, I don't want to be like, I don't want to waste money.

1:18.6

You don't even realize it.

1:19.6

It's in your subconscious.

1:21.6

But when you frame two buttons like that, you have this thing called false choice pairing. And button A sounds like you're

1:29.1

the hero of a Marvel movie. And button B sounds like you're still using Internet Explorer.

1:35.3

You're going to pick button A all the time. And so it's this idea of false choice button pairing

1:42.7

that works so incredibly well. and so many brands do it.

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