E88. Thomas Chatterton Williams Is Allergic to the Idea that Someone Could Define Him as a Victim

Walk-Ins Welcome with Bridget Phetasy

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🗓️ 16 July 2020

⏱️ 100 minutes

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Thomas Chatterton Williams (Losing My Cool, Self-Portrait In Black and White) talks with Bridget from France and discusses the view of America from another country, the European response to Covid-19 vs. the US’s, and why the Unites States plays a central role in the imagination of the whole world. Thomas explains how he wound up “accidentally” writing a memoir about the difference between the black culture his dad grew up in from the one he grew up in, America’s historic attitude about race, and how his having his daughter who “looks like a Swedish child” led him to reassess what he’d previously written and his thoughts about the “construct” of race. He and Bridget cover why the hyper focus on racial difference is not the way to get past our divisions, the narcissism in the idea that whiteness in itself is responsible for all that’s wrong, why emigrating to another country was the hardest thing he’s ever done, and what he misses most about America. Full transcript available here: WiW88-ThomasChattertonWilliams-Transcript

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0:00.0	Thank you for listening to this Podcast One production.
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0:08.3	This is Walk-In's Welcome with Bridget Petacy.
0:10.9	I'm Bridget Petacy, I'm Bridget Petacy and you are welcome. You know the drill.
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0:27.0	Please subscribe, rate, comment, share, reach out, tell your friends, send smoke signals, whatever.
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0:35.0	This week on the podcast we have Thomas Chatterton Williams.
0:39.0	He's an American cultural critic and author of the book,
0:42.7	Self-Portrait and Black and White,
0:44.5	and Losing My Cool.
0:46.0	He's also a contributing writer
0:47.4	to the New York Times magazine.
0:49.1	He's also one of the spearheads of the infamous letter,
0:52.0	which Maggie and I spoke about in one of our
0:54.1	recent check-ins and unfortunately that came out after we recorded so if you're
1:00.3	waiting to hear his take on that I would would say don't, but you should still listen to the episode. Anyway, what am I talking about?
1:07.5	I'm with Thomas Chatterden Williams, everybody. Welcome.
1:11.5	Hi, thanks for having me.
1:13.0	Thank you so much for coming on.
1:15.0	I have so many questions, but mostly,
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